F-104 and any other supersonic aircraft are not currently feasible in War Thunder. How would this possibly work? Vehicles are not balanced by making them faster or slower, they are balanced by battlerating. West Germany was, alongside the United States, the primary operator of the Starfighter, owning over 900 F-104s in its air force  at the peak of its service career. What battlerating does it get? im not saying russian bias, but american tanks f.e. This exact bomb type is basically a battleship … The brainchild of famed Lockheed engineer Clarence "Kelly" Johnson, after having spoken to USAF pilots about their experience in the Korean Air War, the F-104 Starfighter was innovative in both its design and speed. The F-104C featured improvements over the F-104A in the form of a better fire-control system as well as hardpoints on the centerline on the belly and under the wings. More than two months since the last major update, War Thunder has finally received a brand-new pack of goodies. The real one is the will of Gaijin to go further into 50's and 60's. with a battle rating of 9.7 (AB/SB) and 10.0 (RB). medium tanks accelerating so slow, even heavies can outmanouver them, no neutral steering for tanks which had it originally, wrong armor values und designed turret because of balancing issues? But i don't see the need/way to add supersonic planes. New ground … It was introduced in Update "Starfighters". What planes does it fight? The F-104A is a very long plane and it is not very manoeuvrable, making it a large, easy target for enemy guns. The aircraft however was not without its problems, resulting in a four-year long developmental period for the aircraft. It was used in 'Nam, so I thought this might be a good add onModel: Lockheed F-104 "Starfighter" (Widowmaker)Country of Origin: United StatesManufacturer: Lockheed Corporation- USAInitial Year of Service: 1958Production: 2.578. a nice bomb for this jet would be the BL755, an anti tank bomb, basically a clusterbomb with mini heat bomblets, it could be loaded with anti tank mines too.. Describe how the aircraft behaves in the air. How would this possibly work? the is6s viewport/optics aka blackhole which eats even apfsds? Maybe one day Gaijin will extend the time frame and we'll see more advanced aircraft with missiles and afterburners, but for now it's just impossible. Feb 4, 2020 @ 11:08pm ... We should get the F-84 and the F-104 though. Powered by Invision Community. Capping a plane at 1300kmh is basically creating a plane that never existed, and from a FM creation point of view, that's a nightmare. Roughly 153 F-104As were produced, with 26 more being F-104B two-seat variants. Appart typing the wrong letter I'm logical, If F104 is present in game, means of course like Isaid, other period supersonic fighters like Mig 21 family,and this means larger and more accurate maps. G.91 R/1 and the sottoseries might be slightly out of the time frame, but they have comparable performance to the planes already in game. The game is based around combined arms battles on air, land, and sea with vehicles from the Spanish Civil War … The Lockheed F-104 Starfighter is a single-engine, supersonic interceptor aircraft which was extensively deployed as a fighter-bomber during the Cold War.Created as a day fighter by Lockheed as one of the … And what about the other nations? Links to the articles on the War Thunder Wiki that you think will be useful for the reader, for example: © 2010—2021 by Gaijin Entertainment. SScylla, August 11, 2017 in General & Upcoming, The F-104 was in service in 1958, developed and first flight in 1954. It is very quick, and as such is hard to catch. Accelerates braking by grabbing the brake cable on the deck of the aircraft carrier, Allows you to dramatically reduce the flight speed by releasing special flaps, Reduces braking distance when landing on any runway, Notifies about the aircraft's exposure to laser or radio waves, 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder air-to-air missiles, Standard Aircraft Characteristics of the F-104C, https://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=F-104C&oldid=91587, 1 x 20 mm M61 cannon, chin-mounted (750 rpg), 3 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs (2,250 lb total), 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles + 3 x 750 lb M117 cone 45 bombs (2,250 lb total), 2 x AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles + 38 x FFAR Mighty Mouse rockets, Good top speed, on par with the highest-tier aircraft, Great rate of climb; even the F-4 Phantom may struggle to match it, Powerful M61 Vulcan cannon can rip enemy aircraft to shreds, Much-improved selection of secondary ordinance over the F-104A, Bleeds energy easily in sustained turn fights, Only 750 rounds of cannon ammo; with such a high rate of fire, trigger discipline is a must. At this period, Mig21, F104, Mirage IIIC, etc, were operational with AAA missiles, and also with an important range of AG weapons, like CBU. Expensive ammo? whats the big deal? Therefore, a downward firing ejection seat known as the Stanley C-1 was fitted into early models of the F-104. about that, gaijin proved that they can "adjust" aka nerf or buff certain characteristics about their planes or tanks. The result of this undertaking was the F-104 Starfighter, whose first prototype, designated XF-104, first took to the skies on the 4th March 1954. If necessary, note the specifics of the game in different modes (AB, RB, SB). The Soviets would have to have the Su-9 added (for example), which is still nearly 400KMH slower than the F-104. To explain this; the map total size is like a national park, but the confrontation zone is similar to a Football stadium, with lot of unused space arround. For example the f104c in game net thrust is about 14014lbf while the static thrust is … Currently, G.91 despite being the most recent, is nowhere near being the best jet in the game. Surprise surprise, the only plane with that mechanic is also … Introducing War Thunder: Starfighters, a brand new major update that introduces the Italian Fleet, Japanese helicopters, several iconic jet aircraft, including the famous F-104 family! Japan is getting literally the best F-104 and you want more. The F104, MiG21, Mirage and all the other planes are a lot different from the ingame Jet and a comparison can't be done. i am certain they wont stop there at 1959. The wings were one of the most unique parts of the aircraft, as well as its long fuselage taken up mostly by its large engine and fuel storage, and were only 4 inches and its thickest. All rights reserved. By Soon, pilots in War Thunder will have the chance to fly this truly iconic … MiG-17, which is only ~1400km/h slower? Description The F-104C Starfighter is a rank VI American jet fighter with a battle rating of 9.7 (AB/SB) and 10.0 (RB). are a bit underperforming (engine power speaking)  The G91's are similar in performances to the Sabre and the other planes. Either way, 1300km/h is still way too fast, and its armament is too powerful to face jets currently in game. You don't know whether the timeline will progress or not. Im holding out for the tornado and all of its variants including the IDS SEAD … reports do.... nothing. Soon after entering production, the F-104 quickly also became a highly popular aircraft on the export market. On which map? Of course, it's not quicker than a missile! The feedback given to Johnson was clear - US planes were too large and complex and would often find themselves inferior to the much smaller and simpler Soviet MiG-15. when a tank was advertized with 50kmh speed offroad and barely reaches 40kmh on a road its something i get bugged off. ), the result is less players, mixed battles on bad maps, and finally it's sometimes boring. Refrain from creating a "guide" - do not impose a single point of view, but instead, give the reader food for thought. The problem for afterburner is the fact that they allow you to go supersonic. it wouldnt feel much different then currently ingame. The development history of the F-104 Starfighter begins in 1951, when Lockheed’s lead engineer visited US pilots in Korea. Speed, manoeuvrability, acceleration and allowable loads - these are the most important characteristics of the vehicle. Gaijin introduced G.91, not G.91Y which were two very different planes. In War Thunder before the f- 104 starfighter is the first supersonic jet in the world to surpass the speed of Mark two and also the first one to reach a record altitude of 30 kilometers, The new update adds this … Always this afterburner problem. The longer you watch a War Thunder stream, the higher your chances of getting a reward. Most of ingame jets fits for Korean war period, add a plane which is more recent, will lead to such demands. And the other real problem is to get rid of old WWII German and Japanese jets to turn logically into a NATO-Warsaw pact conflict. Aerodynamics, physics, engineering. Pages Other Brand Video Game War Thunder … this time around, its in favor of the russians. I'm italian and I love the Starfighter, bit it was a sh*t of plane, in militar scenario. 9.0? Examine the most dangerous enemies and give recommendations on fighting them. This should'nt be an issue, as the default of afterburner is an huge fuel consumption, meaning to run out of gas in few minutes, with excessive use. Italy was the last to decommission its F-104s in the early 2000s. However, 13 other nations also employed the F-104 such as Canada, Italy, Japan, Spain, and many more. The aircraft would incorporate the smallest airframe, combined with the most technologically advanced turbojet at the time, to create the base of what would become the F-104. It just doesn't work. would be a good idea? how long has the m103 been the subject of discussion, with the current ingame ap shell being the training shell, while the real shell being able to pen astonishing amounts of armor ? The F-104J Starfighter is a rank VI Japanese jet fighter with a battle rating of 10.0 (AB/SB) and 10.3 (RB). so a f104 isnt a tuner, right, but is the hawker a turner? The F-104A spend a short time in USAF service before being send to Air National Guard (ANG) units, which some others being sent to foreign operators which had some success in their service. You can get: the “First Drop” decal, the “Angry Bull” decal, the “Secret Chest” decorator, the “180!” decorator and the … It's the same as the F-2 sabre. if afterburner is such an issue, why then "not" implement it? 在War Thunder当中,具有传奇色彩的F-104战斗机会在下个版本同多个国家的顶级喷气机玩家们见面,这也意味着不仅仅是美国和德国,中国、意大利和日本都将获得他们自己的“星战士”,因此接下来请尽情 … In 1953, the USAF showed interest in the project, and proposed an open contest with Lockheed and multiple other firms for a supersonic interceptor, based wholly on performance. What planes can counter it? The wings, while helping with supersonic flight, were harmful to ground crews, and special equipment had to be issued to service these areas. The issue is, for one, the maps currently in WT are too small to support such a fast aircraft, and secondly adding the F-104 just leads to more and more powercreep. Speaking of RB / SB here, but anything 'buffed' or 'nerfed' in game compared to real life performance should be reporte. The game is based around combined arms battles on air, land, and sea with vehicles from the Spanish Civil War … At the fiat G91Y period, some of NATO and Warsaw pact fighters where already Mach1+ using afterburner. High repair cost? However, like most of the A models ended up, the C models were quickly transferred to Air National Guard (ANG) units both of which served until around 1975 in their service. The F-84F Thunderstreak is a further development of the preceding Thunderjet, introduced in the early 1950’s. Such major change in FM and game physics is not planned by the devs so far. It already has the best AAM of all of them and is getting leading indicator. It was introduced in Update "Starfighters". their tanks and aircraft got the itty bitty bit of an advantage over the others nations, which isnt "bad" per se, but its there. JPN: Navy Type 99 No.80 AP bomb: 800 kg: 30.1 kg: 0.0774: 10: 13: 17: 20: 9 ft/ 2.7 m: 148 ft/ 45.1 m: 83: Not a bug or mistake on the chart. War thunder uses the thrust values that the engine can output in the plane and while flying, this is applied to everyone. Changing whether tank can drive on neutral or not is nowhere near as major as cutting maximum speed of aircraft by 1400km/h. The Starfighter first flew in 1954, and looks a little like something from Thunderbirds. ÚwÚ . Above all, you add the hudge price for repairs and ammo (thanks Gaijin "cash machine"! After a failed introduction of the Stanley C-2 ejection seat, the problem was finally solved by the introduction of the Martin-Baker ejection system, particularly in foreign-operator's Starfighters. 4 M39 revolver cannons is equal to an M61a1 rotary cannon. War Thunder > General Discussions > Topic Details. … The altitude record was later bested by another variant of the aircraft, the F-104C, at a whopping altitude of 103,389 feet. It won't happen. This is a subreddit for War Thunder, a cross platform vehicular combat MMO developed by Gaijin Entertainment for Microsoft Windows, macOS, Linux, PlayStation 4, and Xbox One. BTW, the timeline will progress and newer planes aswell as newer tanks will be introduced. I guess the Japanese are fine since they used F-104s too, though. © 2021 by Gaijin Games Kft. Imagine we get the F-104. The F-104S is an Italian supersonic interceptor based on the … Description The Lockheed F-104 Starfighter is an American single-engined, supersonic interceptor aircraft which became widely used as a fighter-bomber during the Cold War. This is a subreddit for War Thunder, a cross platform vehicular combat MMO developed by Gaijin Entertainment for Microsoft Windows, macOS, Linux, PlayStation 4, Xbox One. With a long, pencil shaped fuselage with short, sharp edged wings it encompassed the era of space flight and Sci-Fi with its design. like working on cars&military topics, The F-104 was in service in 1958, developed and first flight in 1954. The Soviets would have to have the Su-9 added (for example), which is still nearly 400KMH slower than the F-104. High repair cost? While having a history of accidents and high pilot attrition, the aircraft was fitted with an ejection seat. The F-104C can be outfitted with the following ordnance: Describe the tactics of playing in the aircraft, the features of using aircraft in a team and advice on tactics. Although "Starfighter" sounds great and also reveals that quite a few F-104 … On 11/8/2017 at 10:09 AM, Illusionyary said: Kfz-Meister(Car-Technician), Former Bundeswehr (Armed Forces). From the start the F-104A smashed records, taking the record as the first operational fighter in service to succeed Mach 2, as well as going on to take the records for both altitude and speed in both the F-104A and F-104C variants respectively. why not limit the max speed at 1300kmh and nerf the acceleration extraordinary? well it is in my opinion. Sections of this page. It was introduced in Update "Starfighters". just because im new to the forum doenst mean i dont have a clue. MiG 21 was fast as the F-104 and quite agile. In the end, over 2,500 Starfighters would be built, with most being gradually decommissioned by the end of the Cold War. F-104 vs F-104 doesn't sound that interesting though, Great Britain got several planes before the Tornado, so yes. NOW WOULD YOU GUYS LIKE TO SEE THAT F-104 OR NOT LOL, © 2021 by Gaijin Games Kft. This thing is not only supersonic - Gaijin said some time ago that they are not planning any supersonic aircraft - but it's also MORE THAN TWO TIMES FASTER than the fastest jet in the game. The game is based around combined arms battles on air, land, and sea with vehicles from the Spanish Civil War … the holes in the m103s turrets armor? Lockheed evidently won the contest and approval for two prototypes to be produced and, in February of 1954, took flight for the first time. Due to the great speed of the aircraft at Mach 2, it was believed that the seat wouldn't have enough time to clear the tail section in an ejection scenario. And of course leads to changes in maps and gameplay which are to happen sooner or later if Gaijin goes further in adding more recent vehicles. the underperforming engines of the chieftain? Published by Gaijin Network Ltd. under the exclusive license. Developed from the start as a daytime air-superiority fighter with speed in mind, the Starfighter began life at Lockheed's famous "Skunk Works" facility in 1952 to combat the Soviet's new age of supersonic jet fighters. F-104 Starfighter, jet fighter, Rank VI. F-104 Starfighter. As sexy as the starfighter is, and how much I want a plane with gatling BRRRT, There's gonna have to be things for each nation that compete :/, MiG-21F-13 and F-104 are fine and all, but idk about brits/Germans/and italians other than copy pasta F-104s, Japan will have F-104J (japanese version of the F-104G) The front gear can break at speed immediately after take-off, so if you don't retract gear in time it will break. The F-104 Starfighter is a well-known American supersonic jet fighter, developed at the start of the Cold War by the Lockheed company. While a good idea, and in theory could work, the C-1 was also believed harmful in the case of a low-altitude ejection of the aircraft. The F-104 saw most of its combat service with the USAF, most notably taking part in the Vietnam War. Germany and Italy the F-104G (licenced version production with a lot of difference from the USA variant), the first Italian/German (even with GB) built plane was the Panavia Tornado in 1974... 20 years later than the F-104 and MiG 21, Japan will have F-104J (japanese version of the F-104G) And of course where the grownth of "Gaijin cash machine" will end? about that, gaijin proved that they can "adjust" aka nerf or buff certain characteristics about their planes or tanks. i dont want to rant here but claiming this addition would take away the realism while other parts of the game sure as hell arent realistic is kind of hypercritical, aint it? Published by Gaijin Network Ltd. under the exclusive license. The aircraft had a short service life in this theatre, only serving in 1965, and again from 1967-1969 until the introduction of the more-capable F-4 Phantom II by which it was replaced. powercreep is no reason for me since there is and always was a powercreep. 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